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    • CommentAuthorwoodwiz
    • CommentTimeNov 7th 2008 edited
     
    Here are some pics of a couple of the prototypes we finally completed last week. They are still a little rough, but they sound great (even better than I expected) and have received an excellent reception from everyone who has tried them so far. The C on the fiddle is very strong, and the E is still strong and sweet all the way up the fingerboard.

    They are made entirely here in the Kansas City area, and are made from American woods: Bigleaf Maple, and Englemann Spruce. This was our first real attempt with these woods, and we are pretty happy with the results.

    Here's the back of the fiddle
    • Fiddle Back reduced.JPG
    • CommentAuthorwoodwiz
    • CommentTimeNov 7th 2008 edited
     
    Front of the fiddle
    • Fiddle Front reduced.JPG
    • CommentAuthorwoodwiz
    • CommentTimeNov 7th 2008 edited
     
    Viola back
    • Viola back reduced.JPG
    • CommentAuthorwoodwiz
    • CommentTimeNov 7th 2008 edited
     
    Viola front
    • Viola Front reduced.JPG
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      CommentAuthorpgf102
    • CommentTimeNov 8th 2008
     
    These look great, Michael! They both seem to have a wider-than-normal lower bout. Is that the case and is it to try and accomadate the lower C string? What is the size of the viola?
    The varnish looks fabulous as does all the aspects of the construction.
    Great job and keep up the good work!
    Paul
    • CommentAuthorwoodwiz
    • CommentTimeNov 8th 2008 edited
     
    Thanks for the kind words, Paul.

    We've been making professional violins, violas, cellos, and basses for quite a while now, but when you make a new design, you never quite know how it's going to perform until the varnish and strings are on.

    The instruments are based on a proven "Soloist" viola design that we have been making for a few years. It has a large lower bout and short scale in proportion to the body to give the sound of a larger body, yet make it easier to play in upper positions. Since it sounds great up high, I figured it would carry an E string OK, if we could find a suitable one.

    The viola is simply this basic design in a 15 1/2" body, with a 14" scale. Designing a 5-string presents a few playability challenges re: neck size, nut width, neck projection and bridge height, etc., and naturally, we had to re-invent the wheel. Ground was also an issue since it greatly affects tone. We made our best guess as to how to deal with these issues, and made some prototypes to test and get feedback on, so that we could get the production model as close to ideal as we could. Results are good. Everyone raves about the sound so far. We have some setup changes to make, but nobody has complained so far. The viola has a 14" scale, and the neck is divided normally

    The fiddle was a little different matter. We reduced the upper bout proportionally, but left the lower bout the same in proportion to length as on the viola. This necessitated some small changes in arching and grads, and again, choice of ground was a factor. The fiddle has a wide waist, which fits well with a bridge 4mm wider than normal. It a normal 330 mm string length, and neck and stop are normal length. It sounds like a much larger instrument. Viola-like on the C and G, violin like on the upper strings. When I go back to my regular (loud) fiddle after playing the 5-string, my regular fiddle sounds really puny. (I may just keep the first production model for my own.)

    Comments, suggestions, and questions are welcome.

    Michael R
    • CommentAuthorberg
    • CommentTimeNov 10th 2008
     
    I like the look of the varnish on the fiddle and the viola.

    If the fiddle sounds like a viola on c and g and a violin on the rest I am amazed - very good news indeed.

    My only reserve is the f-holes on the fiddle - why are they so small? - maybe they are not small but just look a little strange with the bigger lower bout, could the be made longer?
    • CommentAuthorwoodwiz
    • CommentTimeNov 12th 2008
     
    The F-holes will be longer, and 4mm farther apart to allow a wider bridge, for sure. It will allow more bowing room, and might even improve the response.

    We are having as many people as we can play these and fill out a questionnaire so we can identify everything that needs to be tweaked to suit potential buyers as closely as possible. After we get all the feedback we can, we'll do a short production run of half a dozen instruments. I figure if you can get the sound right, everything else can be dealt with.
    • CommentAuthordud15
    • CommentTimeNov 13th 2008
     
    What is the width of the neck at the nut, and what price range are they?
    • CommentAuthorwoodwiz
    • CommentTimeNov 15th 2008
     
    Sorry to be slow to answer, but I'm on the road, currently at Fiddle Hell. The prototypes are currently 25 mm, with 5.0 mm string spacing, but I've had a number of current 5-string players vote for 5.5 mm standard spacing which would call for a width of around 27mm. They don't seem to have a problem with the extra width.

    What would you prefer? I'm still gathering data before we make a final decision.

    Price hasn't been set yet, but it's most likely going to have to be in the upper range of the current 5-string market. Judging by response so far, the performance seems to warrant it. I've already got people waiting to buy the prototypes.

    One good thing - No matter what the demand, we will keep a reserve on hand so that prospective buyers will be able to try from a selection before buying.

    If these are successful at the top of the market, we'll probably go overseas to have a couple of less expensive lines made, at least in part.
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      CommentAuthorpgf102
    • CommentTimeNov 16th 2008
     
    I am partial to the wider fingerboard with standard spacing, since you're asking.
    Paul
    • CommentAuthorwoodwiz
    • CommentTimeNov 16th 2008
     
    I am indeed. Thanks for the input.
    • CommentAuthordud15
    • CommentTimeNov 17th 2008
     
    I guess opinions are like... well you know. I prefer the 25 mm neck with a little tighter string spacing. I tried a couple of fiddles with wider necks and it was just easier for me to make the adjustments needed to adapt to a 5-string with the smaller neck, it has a more natural feel.
    • CommentAuthorberg
    • CommentTimeNov 18th 2008
     
    Well for me it is a little tighter string space coupled with a little wider neck - a compromise one might say - I think my neck is about 26mm..

    I love that I can play faster on my five string compared to my four string with normal spacing.

    what is the upper end of the five-string marked?
    • CommentAuthorswing
    • CommentTimeNov 18th 2008
     
    I had the opprotunity to play these instruments this last weekend. First, the workmanship is extremely good. The color and finish is a WOW. The way the violin plays is wonderful..very even across all strings and yet you can push it with it becoming mushy.

    The string spacing is a bit smaller than a standard fiddle, but I found it to be completely playable right away. In discussion with Woodwiz, he says they are going to make some with the 5.5 mm spacing at the nut just so more people will be comfortable with them.

    I am going to get one when they are ready to be released to the public.
    • CommentAuthorwoodwiz
    • CommentTimeNov 25th 2008
     
    Thanks for the replies, and thanks, Swing.

    All but one of the four prototypes are sold, and we have some orders in for production models. Not bad for starters. Guess I ought to do some sort of introductory special, huh? Is that OK to do here? Are there any limits on advertising content? Anybody know?

    The instruments will come with Perfection Pegs and a suitable case, since they are sort of odd-sized.
    • CommentAuthordsreiner
    • CommentTimeDec 12th 2008
     
    Hi Michael-

    Looking forward to trying more of these over time...

    Maybe we should add a workshop on playing 5-stringers at next year's Fiddle Hell Groton? There is certainly increasing interest among fiddlers.

    Regards,
    Dave Reiner
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    Keep me posted, Dave. I'm interested.

    Andy Rogers
    5 since '98