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      CommentAuthorTartini
    • CommentTimeSep 16th 2008
     
    I am thinking of putting a new bridge on my 5 string violin. Would a Viola bridge be safe to use? I would also think that it would accentuate the lower frequencies..Thanks for any advice.
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    You need to check the width if the bridge feet and compare it to the distance between the upper f-hole eyes.
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      CommentAuthorTartini
    • CommentTimeSep 16th 2008 edited
     
    The current bridge is 45mm in width at the feet and the distance between upper f-hole eyes is the same.I understand what you mean.I believe that the bridge that came with the instrument, is a violin bridge. Maybe a viola bridge would not make a good choice, since the bass side foot of the bridge would not line up correctly with the bass bar... I other words, the feet should not be wider than the upper f-hole eyes...thanks for the help on this question. I also experimented with soundpost locations. I discovered that if it is located a little further back from the bridge,it produced better slightly better lows, but bow sound was too evident snd was more nasal.I did'nt favour it. So, through trial and error,and painstaking patience (I hate to set sound posts!), I finally came to find the "sweet spot" which turned out to be about 3mm behind the brige. I believe this is about the same as on a four stringed instrument.. In any case, my cheap (but experimental friendly) fiddle is really sounding like it is worth much more now! Very rich and powerful sound as well as improved response. I am going to now put a new winter bridge on and try some better strings. I also found my recordings sound greatly improved, which, as one knows: the microphone never lies! Thanks for your help and keep making those great violins of yours! God Bless You.
    Jerald Franklin Archer (Tartini)
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      CommentAuthorpgf102
    • CommentTimeSep 17th 2008
     
    Jerald - What is the thickness of the bridge like? I know on some imported instruments the bridge comes in quite thick and can muddy or mute the tone of the instrument. If you have time (and patience) maybe experiment by fitting a nice new Aubert or Despiau bridge and see if it makes a tonal difference.
    Just a thought -
    Paul
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      CommentAuthorTartini
    • CommentTimeSep 19th 2008 edited
     
    The bridge is about 4mm thick, with the usual taper and slightly lower curvature, which is good for fiddle playing styles. I thinned out the bridge when I got it, as it is true, it was slightly thicker,but well fitted (which is not always the case with some imports). I am sure it is not of very good quality, and I am going to fit a top quality bridge (most likely one of the ones you mentioned)and put some better quality strings on it and a new soundpost as well. I am currently using lower grade steel strings, but they are tolerable and better than what came with the instrument. The instrument has a potential for sounding good, if I would only invest a little money in it.I can do most work myself (bridges,soundposts,fingerboard and cosmetic work, but that is as far I my skill goes). I should also consider having my Baroque bow re-haired, which is an art I am not very good at... I am not a professional luthier, but I am hesistant to take it and have it overhauled professionally, as it is not an expensive instrument and I am on a very limited income.The instrument is very well made (is is a Berkeley)and I'm almost certain is is of Chinese make, although I could'nt find much information online, except that some sites are selling the same instrument for about $500.00. I find this perplexing, as I aquired mine for about $40.00 on E-Bay. It sounds great when I play traditional fiddle music styles,which is my predominate speciality, but lacks certain qualities in "tone" for heavy classical music which requires a even rich tone and response, but has a great "authentic" Baroque sound, which is slightly thinner and quieter.Somtimes, believe it or not, I will utilize a wooden spring type clothes-pin (with leather strips glued to the insides of the clips) to vary the tone quality, especially during recordings. This acts as a tone control of sorts, and one can achieve a variety of tones depending on the location of the clothes-pin on either side of the bridge, although it is tricky to find the right spot at times. One just has to experiment.In the end, some recordings (I use Adobe Audition 1.0), after tailoring the sound a little, come out very well. I'm a perfectionist, sometimes to a fault.If your interested, you can hear some test recordings of my instrument at archive.com and type in Jerald Franklin Archer in the search box. Thanks for the advice and the tip about bridge replacement.
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      CommentAuthorpgf102
    • CommentTimeSep 19th 2008 edited
     
    Well whatever the instrument or the "adjustments" you make, you and your instrument sound very good. I have enjoyed listening to your improvisations very much. Please keep it up and good luck with your future modifications.
    Paul
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    4 m/m is fairly thin for a 5 string IMHO. I have found that my 5 strings respond better when I leave the bridge about 4.75 mm thick. Also I have realized that for MY violins not opening up the eyes as much is better.

    This may not be the best for your violin, so I think if I were going to cut a new bridge I would fit the feet and start with the bridge a bit thicker and don't cut to much from the eyes. If that is not right for your violin take a bit more. If you work at it that way you do not run the risk of cut too much off and going past the cut that works best for your instrument. You can always cut off more but you can't put it back!

    Again this is just how I would approach the violin if it were in my shop.
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      CommentAuthorTartini
    • CommentTimeSep 20th 2008 edited
     
    Thanks for the compliments and the advice. I wondered if the eyes of the bridge can affect the tone,as I conjectured they might. Mine are completely open, which may be contributing to the thinness of tone... I shall get it overhauled soon, using top quality materials. Until then, I shall take advantage of the time I have to learn some more fiddle tunes. Most are from old publications I've collected over the years, which I freely intrepret and record. It's more of a historical preservation project for me than anything else. I hope young fiddle players can learn by listening, which is what fiddle players are best at. If I get the nerve, and conjure up the patience to record them, I shall perform some Baroque Sonates, particularly the Bach, but I lack a decent sound card to produce a good MIDI harpsichord sound. it sounds more like a clavichord. Adobe Audition is a great recording program, but can get rather technical and I am still learning and experimenting with it. Thanks for listening as I sometimes do not trust my own ears! It helps for others to give advice and opinions.